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A Critique of the Empathizing-Systemizing (E-S) Theory
11 CommentsIn his 2009 paper Autism: The Empathizing–Systemizing (E-S) Theory, Professor Baron-Cohen expands upon his Extreme-Male-Brain theory of autism. Unfortunately, he does not come any closer to understanding autism than when he started.
A Series of Incorrect Assumptions
Baron-Cohen begins the paper by asserting that the mind-blindness theory of autism neatly explains all the social difficulties encountered by autistic people. From this assertion flows a litany of incorrect conclusions:
1. Baron-Cohen asserts that autistic people have an impaired Theory of Mind (ToM), which he defines as “the ability to put oneself into someone else’s shoes, to imagine their thoughts and feelings.” (Baron-Cohen, 68-69)
All I can say is: Give me a slight break. The everyday experience of many autistic people, all across the spectrum, contradicts the professor’s theory. Many of us experience such a high degree of empathy that we are constantly putting ourselves in other people’s shoes and trying to see all sides in any controversy or conflict. Many of our problems with sensory and emotional overload derive from an excess of this ability, not a deficit.
2. Because we lack a proper ToM, we have trouble knowing when we are hurting someone’s feelings.
From my contact with autistic people, it’s clear to me that our empathy leads many of us to constantly question the impact of our words. While I am far from perfect, choosing my words carefully may very well rank as one of my Aspie obsessions. However, the professor believes that “the typical 9-year-old can figure out what might hurt another’s feelings and what might therefore be better left unspoken. Children with Asperger syndrome are delayed by around 3 years in this skill.” (Baron-Cohen, 69)
Choosing my words carefully, so as not to give offense, I wish to say to the professor: “Simon, my friend. (May I call you Simon? I’m not sure, since I can’t read your mind.) You say that autistic people can’t properly put themselves into the shoes of another person. Let me respond as gently as I can: Those words were much, much better left unspoken. They hurt me. And when other people believe what you’re saying, your words cause autistic people no end of trouble. So, the next time you feel tempted to say such things, turn off your computer and have a good meal. You’ll feel better.”
3. Baron-Cohen dismisses studies that fail to find any ToM deficits in autistic people:
“[S]ome studies have failed to find any evidence of a ToM deficit in ASC [autism spectrum conditions], though this may be because among high-functioning, older individuals the tasks need to be sufficiently subtle and age-appropriate to avoid ‘floor effects.’” (Baron-Cohen, 70)
The results “may” be thrown off because of the presence of “high-functioning,” older adults? Didn’t Baron-Cohen attempt to find out who actually participated in these studies? Isn’t that part of writing a research paper? In any case, we “high-functioning” types do not skew test results by excelling at easy tasks. We help the professionals arrive at the proper results by articulating what’s going on.
4. After spending a fair amount of time defending his mind-blindness theory, the professor adds a new and even more incorrect component to it. He “broadens” of the concept of ToM to include an empathetic response:
“Most people regard ToM as just the cognitive component of empathy in that it simply involves identifying someone else’s (or your own) mental states…However, missing from ToM is the second component of empathy, the response element: having an appropriate emotional reaction to another person’s thoughts and feelings. This is referred to affective empathy.” (Baron-Cohen, 71)
Baron-Cohen goes on to say that, in addition to not empathizing well, we don’t know how to respond to someone even after the person tells us what‘s wrong.
News flash: Once someone tells me how he or she feels, I don’t usually have a problem with an empathetic response. Sometimes, I’ll make sure that my response is welcome, out of respect for the other person’s boundaries. For instance, if a person is crying, I might ask whether the person would like a hug, or whether the person would like to talk. Some people want hugs, and some people want to be left alone. I consider it courteous to ask. Once I know people fairly well, however, and I know what works for them, I simply respond. Just ask my husband, my daughter, my daughter’s friends, my friends, my former co-workers, my neighbors, and all the animals I’ve ever helped care for in various stages of illness.
Well, I guess you can’t ask the animals, but you get the idea.
Extending the Extreme-Male-Brain Theory
Despite our supposed deficits in the areas that make people truly human, there’s good news in store. Building on his Extreme-Male-Brain theory, Baron-Cohen posits that while we have difficulty Empathizing (E), we’re not too bad at Systemizing (S). If you remember, we have Extremely Male Brains, so the fact that we’re good at systemizing should not come as a surprise. I mean, I’m sure that those of you with systemizing brains already had that one all figured out, didn’t you?
Here’s the good news in the professor’s own words:
“According to the empathizing–systemizing (E-S) theory, autism and Asperger syndrome are best explained not just with reference to empathy (below average) but also with reference to a second psychological factor (systemizing), which is either average or even above average.” (Baron-Cohen, 71)
Hurrah for us! We’re average. And sometimes, we’re above average. It’s a dream come true.
And in case there is any doubt as to those tasks that we’re so, um, average at doing, here is the professor’s definition of systemizing:
“Systemizing is the drive to analyze or construct systems. These might be any kind of system. What defines a system is that it follows rules, and when we systemize we are trying to identify the rules that govern the system, in order to predict how that system will behave (Baron-Cohen 2006). These are some of the major kinds of systems: collectible systems (e.g., distinguishing between types of stones), mechanical systems (e.g., a video-recorder), numerical systems (e.g., a train timetable), abstract systems (e.g., the syntax of a language), natural systems (e.g., tidal wave patterns), social systems (e.g., a management hierarchy), and motoric systems (e.g., bouncing on a trampoline). In all these cases, you systemize by noting regularities (or structure) and rules.” (Baron-Cohen, 71)
I had no idea that jumping on a trampoline made me a systemizer or that it was evidence of autism. I am so excited! I used to jump on a trampoline ALL THE TIME when I was a kid.
But there’s a catch. In the next sentence, Baron-Cohen makes a statement that suggests that none of us are autistic to begin with: “So it is the discrepancy between E and S that determines if you are likely to develop an autism spectrum condition.” (Baron-Cohen, 71)
Likely to develop an autism spectrum condition? WHAT? You mean, I wasn’t born with it? Wow. If only they’d given me empathy lessons in grammar school, rather than letting me bounce on that stupid trampoline, I’d be normal today.
I wonder whether it’s too late to sue the school district.
Misunderstanding the Purpose of Stimming
Not surprisingly, the train goes further and further off the track as the article continues. Here is Baron-Cohen’s list of systemizing behaviors in classic autism and Asperger’s Syndrome. The Asperger’s behaviors are in italics. (Baron-Cohen, 74)
Sensory systemizing Tapping surfaces, or letting sand run through one’s fingers Insisting on the same foods each day
Motoric systemizing Spinning round and round, or rocking back and forth Learning knitting patterns or a tennis technique
Collectible systemizing Collecting leaves or football stickers Making lists and catalogues
Numerical systemizing Obsessions with calendars or train timetables Solving math problems
Motion systemizing Watching washing machines spin round and round Analyzing exactly when a specific event occurs in a repeating cycle
Spatial systemizing Obsessions with routes Developing drawing techniques
Environmental systemizing Insisting on toy bricks being lined up in an invariant order Insisting that nothing is moved from its usual position in the room
Social systemizing Saying the first half of a phrase or sentence and waiting for the other person to complete it Insisting on playing the same game whenever a child comes to play
Natural systemizing Asking over and over again what the weather will be today Learning the Latin names of every plant and their optimal growing conditions
Mechanical systemizing Learning to operate the VCR Fixing bicycles or taking apart gadgets and reassembling them
Vocal/auditory/verbal systemizing Echoing sounds Collecting words and word meanings
Systemizing action sequences Watching the same video over and over again Analyzing dance techniques
Musical systemizing Playing a tune on an instrument over and over again Analyzing the musical structure of a song
Now, it seems to me that if a neuro-typical person were doing these kinds of activities, another neuro-typical person might (perhaps correctly) assume that the person was systemizing because his or her brain was structured that way.
However, it’s always ill advised to draw neuro-typical conclusions by watching the behavior of autistic people, because autistic people experience the world in a completely different way. Therefore, we might have reasons for our “systemizing” behavior that have nothing to do with having innately “systemizing” brains.
For example, most autistic people would recognize many of the activities in Baron-Cohen’s list as stims: tapping fingers, letting the sand slide through your fingers, rocking, watching something go round and round, putting things in a certain order, watching the same video over and over, playing a tune on an instrument over and over, and so forth. Baron-Cohen does mention the subject of stims, but he spectacularly misinterprets their purpose:
“[W]hen the low-functioning person with classic autism shakes a piece of string thousands of times close to his eyes…the E-S theory sees the..behavior as a sign that the individual ‘understands’ the physics of that string movement.” (Baron-Cohen, 74)
The E-S theory may see the behavior in that way, but I’m not convinced that many autistic people do. The professor needs to watch Amanda Baggs’ In My Language video for a crash course on how many unusual reasons we can have for all the interesting things we do.
About that string, Baron-Cohen continues:
“He may for example make it move in exactly the same way every time. Or when he makes a long, rapid sequence of sounds, he may know exactly that acoustic pattern and get some pleasure from the confirmation that the sequence is the same every time. Much as a mathematician might feel an ultimate sense of pleasure that the “golden ratio” ((a + b)/a = a/b) always comes out as 1.61803399. . ., so the child…who produces the same outcome every time with his repetitive behavior, appears to derive some emotional pleasure at the predictability of the world. This may be what is clinically described as ‘stimming’ (Wing 1997).” (Baron-Cohen, 74-75)
To Baron-Cohen, the child “appears” to derive some emotional pleasure at the predictability of the world. The only person who could draw this conclusion would be someone who experiences the world as a predictable place. I can’t vouch for any other autistic person, but I do not experience the world in that way. Far from it. The world feels chaotic to me.
When I stim, I’m not taking pleasure in the predictability of the world. I’m taking refuge from the chaos of the world. I’m soothing my very sensitive nervous system by a) moving my body in comforting ways, such as when I rock or toe-walk or b) creating some sort of tangible order, such as when I arrange books by subject or organize beads by color, shape, size, and texture. To soothe myself, I’m creating what I can’t ordinarily perceive. I’m saying, in the words of Mrs. Ramsay in Virginia Woolf’s To the Lighthouse, “Life stand still here.”
But This Theory is So Good for Us
In singing the praises of his E-S theory, Baron-Cohen doesn’t hesitate to announce how much it will help autistic folk and our loved ones. For example, he speculates that the theory will lead to interventions that will help us cope in the world:
“[This] theory is giving rise to novel interventions, in particular using the strong systemizing to teach empathy, for example, presenting emotions in an autism-friendly format (Baron-Cohen 2007b; Golan et al. 2006).” (Baron-Cohen, 70)
When I saw the phrase “presenting emotions in an autism-friendly format,” I was hoping that Baron-Cohen meant “quietly, slowly, and respectfully.” (Hey, a girl can dream, can’t she?) Unfortunately, that’s not what he meant:
“The DVD Mind Reading…presents actors posing facial expressions such that people with autism can teach themselves emotion recognition via a computer. This involves taking the quite artificial approach of presenting mental states (such as emotional expressions) as if they are lawful and systemizable, even if they are not (Golan et al. 2006).” (Baron-Cohen, 70)
I see. So we’re going to use computers to understand emotion in a systematic way, even though emotions do not follow any natural laws. Well, since our Extremely Male Brains make us pretty much like computers anyway, why not? And given that we don’t understand deception, we’ll believe anyone who tells us that we can learn about emotions using a computer program, won’t we? It’s perfect.
But it gets better, at least at first glance:
“E-S theory destigmatizes autism and AS, relating these to individual differences we see in the population (between and within the sexes), rather than as categorically distinct or mysterious. For many decades, the diagnosis of autism was one that many parents dreaded, as it suggested their child was biologically set apart from the rest of humanity in lacking the basic machinery for social engagement and in suggesting autism is a disease of the brain. The E-S theory focuses not just on the areas of difficulty (empathy) but also on the areas of strength (systemizing) in ASC, and views ASC as a difference in cognitive style that is part of a continuum of such differences found in everyone, rather than as a disease.” (Baron-Cohen, 73)
Destigmatizing is good. But is that really what Baron-Cohen is doing here? I don’t think so.
1) He attempts to destigmatize autism by putting us into categories that the general population can understand. As opposed to being “categorically distinct,” we are now different in the same, familiar way that men and women are different. Men systemize, and women empathize. We’re just really manly men—and, er, women. Don’t you feel better now?
2) He completely misses the point that autism and AS are categorically distinct from other neurological kinds of wiring.
We are not just interesting variations from the norm, but people with a fundamentally different way of seeing and experiencing the world. We’re non-normative human beings. Being distinct is not the same as being dangerous or inhuman. To take away our distinctness in order to destigmatize autism only plays into the fears of the general population. It doesn’t allay those fears at all.
3) While at first glance, I was happy to see that he rejects the world “disease,” I find myself dismayed that Baron-Cohen does not replace it with anything that sounds any better.
After all, autism may not be “a disease of the brain,” but much of his work is an attempt to suggest that we are, in fact, “biologically set apart from the rest of humanity in lacking the basic machinery for social engagement.” Isn’t that the point of saying that we are innately poor at empathy and the social skills that depend upon it? Playing up our “systemizing” skills while telling people that we do not care about them is hardly a giant leap forward.
4) While Baron-Cohen appears to celebrate our “systemizing” strengths as a way to bring us into the light of human dignity, he forgets that some of us flunked calculus, can’t disassemble or reassemble gadgets, and don’t care in the least about the Latin names of anything. Autistic women, in particular, do not present with the same kinds of traits as the majority of autistic men.
What is to be done with autistic people who have “difficulties” with both the feminine ability to empathize and the masculine ability to systemize? Should we make them use computers or line things up in rows until they learn to systemize properly? After all, it’s pretty clear that the empathy thing is not even worth trying.
I have a better idea. Let’s tear up Baron-Cohen’s theory and start all over again. After all, as he says toward the end of his paper:
“One criticism of the E-S theory is that the evidence base for it is still quite limited.” (Baron-Cohen, 73)
Ya think?
© 2009 by Rachel Cohen-Rottenberg
11 Responses to “A Critique of the Empathizing-Systemizing (E-S) Theory”
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I love the way you skewer Baron-Cohen. I used to think he was the bees knees. Not anymore! You should send him your critiques.
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Sincerely,
CrystalOkay but really. I completely agree that while he seems to be something of a… let’s say “average” to “above average” observer of Autistic behavior, I don’t think he gets the POINT of that behavior AT ALL.
Oh, and I STINK at math. Well the basics I can do quite well, but my algebra and calculus skills are TEH SUCK. And I aced physics. wtf? Anyway.
Personally, I’m a sorter, for the same reasons that you mentioned you stim… it soothes me, helps me find order in the chaos. I have a “filing cabinet in my brain” that my therapist, despite not being an Autism professional, has learned to utilize quite well in helping me decide where to put certain behaviors in regards to certain people. IE, my empathy system goes “Ashley does not like this, I will not do this around Ashley. Chris prefers to be comforted in this way, I will comfort him in this way. Rachel enjoys this, so when Rachel is down I will do this to help.” etc. Granted, particular things don’t work EVERY SINGLE TIME to achieve a desired goal (making a person feel better, making a person feel loved, acknowledged, etc.), but it’s still a pretty good “system”. Planting me in front of a DVD of people’s facial expressions and attaching words to them like an elaborate flash-card game just seems like a BAD IDEA… because different people have different facial expressions and knowing which means what takes GETTING TO KNOW THEM, and if I’ve got filing cabinets full of generalized facial expressions I am going to be WORSE at reading from one person to another. I think in this way, actually, some of us are BETTER at empathizing than the NT world, because we’re paying more careful attention to an individuals cues. Maybe that’s just em, but that’s how I see it.
Oh, also, I TOTALLY spin in my chair. Like, ALL THE TIME. And trampolines are FRIGGIN’ AWESOME. Just sayin’.
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John Dale Lyons July 7th, 2009 at 10:13 pm
What B-C says applies to some of the people some of the time, but not to all the auties all of the time. Sometimes I misread people, or I am not sure how to react, esp. if overwhelmed. But life experience helps me get better at that. I don’t need a computer program; life experience combined with therapy has been helpful to me. B-C overgeneralizes. He is not always wrong, but categories such as “male brain” behavior are not helpful or descriptive. (It stereotypes men- some of whom are very empathic w/o being non-masculine.) S.B-C should take Rachel’s critiques seriously and refine his theories. .
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grrrr. it’s a hard thing looking at B-C no longer as a supporter. i like that people are trying, but definitely used to the not-getting-it part.
oh, and count me as another one not so great at math. i managed to keep my ‘A’ in algebra up until i could drop the subject, but only with the help of my teacher, who understood that i could get many answers correct, but could not always demonstrate comprehension in the usual manner. once the math problems got more complex, i could no longer juggle the pictures in my head, and would literally bang my head on my desk. and as much as i don’t want to undermine all those parents out there, no, i have not used algebra in the last twenty years, so there. but i do love science! science is great! stay in school! say no to drugs!
and also, add me to the pile of us who love organizing objects. when i worked in art supply stores, i would take the coloured pencil sets out of the display case, and arrange the pencils in the boxes in chromatic order, then put them back, feeling much better.
now i’m a full time painter, and need to spend time every day making sure i don’t get too stuck in the rules i make up for how a painting should develop. i keep reminding myself that i made the rules, and i’m allowed to make up new ones, or, heaven forbid, break them.
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Hello all. I’ve been reading this blog (thanks to my wife) for a while now. Figured that I might as well finally pipe up.
No doubt that much of the research into autism and Aspergers is beneficial. However, I postulate that the majority of the benefit favors the neurotypical and mostly excludes those of us most directly affected.
Much of the hypotheses put forth by Simon Baron-Cohen seem to focus on development of a pathological description. It is for this reason that I challenge even the entertainment of many of Baron-Cohen’s conclusions. Pathology (even psychopathology) posits an assumed disease state that is abnormal in function and creates an impairment of health.
Conventional thinking suggests that autism is the behavioral result of a neurological difference. Assuming this is correct, the first posit of the pathological approach is satisfied. I instead challenge the suggestion that it causes an impairment of health and thus likely is outside the realm of psychopathology.
Admittedly, I am only working from my own point of view here. My “problems” revolve around sensory integration issues that create an anxiety condition. It is the anxiety that is an impairment, indirectly due to my AS. However, if care is taken in managing my environment, I fair reasonably well. I acknowledge that this may not be true for other aspies.
Autism researchers, including Baron-Cohen, also seem to focus on the social aspects of autism disorders. This is paradoxical to me as I believe that the social differences are caused by the condition and are not the condition itself. Focusing on pathologically describing it is thus similar to giving someone with pneumonia a cough suppressant. It simply focuses on what disturbs society, not what bothers the person afflicted.
Even this analogy is lacking it seems, since it still assumes a disease state. Maybe it is more analogous to bleaching the skin of a dark skinned individual in order make them “fit in better.” Their increased integration alleviates the disease state.
I currently believe that public awareness is the best route to increased social understanding. There is likely a social benefit to public understand of our differences in behavior. I don’t mind my differences as much as I mind the embarrassment of trying to explain to a waitress why I don’t want to sit next to the table with the screaming children and the big plastic bin where they dump dishes. I suffer more from the funny looks when I say something like, “I have trouble with sounds.” Most of my problems seem have to do with society’s lack of empathy for me more so than my lack of empathy for others. If the major concern of the neurotypical is the social behavioral differences, then the problem should be addressed socially, not pathologically.
All that said, I am a scientist (biochemist) myself and deeply support continued research in autism. It is greatly needed. However, I would like to see more aspie contribution in the direction of the research. Some internal insight might help get these Baron-Cohen types spending their effort on something more useful.
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Sorry, for the double post:
As a side note. I do math synesthetically as combination of colors. I am horrid at addition and subtraction but excel at division and multiplication (color ratios seem easy for some reason). I almost can’t do algebra at all (letters don’t trigger the colors). Oddly, I am excellent at statistics and calculus. I do calculus using my language center and simply read it as if it were just a second language. Baron-Cohen is way off
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Wow….I’ll have to let my mother-in-law (tennis techniques), the folks over at Merriam-Webster (collecting words and word meanings), the well-known and highly acclaimed jury of So You Think You Can Dance (analyzing dance techniques), and my local Feng Shui designer (insisting nothing is moved from its place in the room) know they’re autistic. Along with the rest of the universe.
Another excellent post, Rachel. You write well, and your sense of humor is just the icing on the cake.
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John Dale Lyons July 8th, 2009 at 7:55 am
Did I mention that I’m horrible at math and bad at spatial relations? But I excel verbally. Take that- S. B-C.
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Brilliant! Once again you’ve deconstructed an idiot into oblivion. Bet he’d be rather surprised I’ve got a psych degree because I wanted to HELP people afflicted with psychiatrists who were too wrapped up in their theories to actually listen to the needs of their patients.
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Hi everyone, and thanks for your kudos.
And to Jason, welcome and thanks for posting. I agree with every word you wrote.
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P.S. April, I now want to write a book called “Deconstructing an Idiot into Oblivion.” There’s definitely enough idiocy in the world to fill a couple hundred pages, and with a title like that, I think the book would sell. However, since I’m working on my memoir, I’ll have to file away that idea for awhile.



